German Panzers in Ukraine

W.J. Astore

What could possibly go wrong?

The U.S. and Germany are currently discussing sending German Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine. This is in addition to British Challenger 2 tanks. These weapons are needed so that Ukraine can take the offensive and evict Russian forces from Ukrainian territory, according to Andriy Yermak, head of the Ukrainian presidential administration.

Who knew that Cold War-era German Panzers would possibly meet their Soviet counterparts in a clash of armor featuring Ukraine against Russia? I don’t think anyone predicted that scenario forty years ago.

In fact, as a teenager in the 1970s, I played war games such as “MechWar ‘77,” which envisioned a massive Soviet armored thrust into West Germany countered by NATO armored forces consisting primarily of German and U.S. tanks. You know, the good old days.

In “MechWar ‘23,” it’s now possible that German- and British-made tanks, crewed by Ukrainians, will face their Soviet/Russian counterparts in heated combat. The Germans, considering the legacy of Panzers in Russian and Ukrainian territory in World War II, are understandably reluctant to send tanks to Ukraine to kill Russians. The historical echoes here are more than faintly disturbing.

As the U.S. and NATO keep sending heavier and more powerful offensive weaponry to Ukraine, the dangers of escalation continue to creep upwards. So too do the ambitions of those involved. What started in the West as an allegedly limited effort to help Ukraine defend its soil against Russian attacks is rapidly becoming a full-fledged war to roll back Russian forces not only in Ukraine but also in the Crimea.

Again, what could possibly go wrong in MechWar ‘23?

16 thoughts on “German Panzers in Ukraine

  1. Chronic Cupidity
    (in the Japanese Haiku style)

    Leaving by Staying
    Ending by Continuing
    Indefinitely

    We don’t call it “war”
    But presidents must have them
    You know, just because . . .

    Someone makes money
    Someone else will foot the bill
    No need to explain

    Then come the movies
    Forrest Gump meets Castaway
    Me in Vietnam

    Michael Murry, “The Misfortune Teller,” Copyright © 2023

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  2. THE TEN-HEADED HYDRA; Or, The U.S. Is Controlled By Ten Cartels by Toby Rogers 011623

    The U.S. is controlled by ten cartels and collectively they are destroying our country and enslaving the population:

    ~ 1. BIG FINANCE (Goldman Sachs, J.P. Morgan Chase, Berkshire Hathaway, Citigroup, Blackrock, Vanguard, the Federal Reserve)

    Controls the U.S. Treasury.

    Result: Money is cheap for them (the Fed) but expensive for us (credit card interest), oligopolies rule, there is no regulation, and there are endless bubbles and busts on the stock market.

    ~ 2. MILITARY CONTRACTORS (Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon Technologies, General Dynamics)

    Control the Department of Defense.

    Result: Endless wars, hasty withdrawal from Afghanistan to re-seed that area with chaos, and a new Cold War against Russia and China.

    ~ 3. BIG OIL (ExxonMobil, Shell, Chevron, BP)

    Controls the Department of the Interior and DoD.

    Result: Oil and gas leases on public lands only pay 8% royalties. The U.S. makes alliances with despots in the Middle East and overthrows any leader who tries to increase royalty rates.

    ~ 4. BIG FOOD + BIG AG (PepsiCo, Tyson, Nestle, Kraft, Cargill, ADM)

    Control the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

    Result: Subsidies for sugar and corn. Junk food served in schools across the country. Obesity, diabetes, mental illness, and low energy plague our nation.

    ~ 5. BIG PHARMA (Pfizer, Merck, GSK, Moderna, Sanofi, J&J, AstraZeneca)

    Controls the FDA and CDC.

    Result: Junk science is laundered and given the government seal of approval. Toxic, deadly, and expensive drugs flood the market causing widespread iatrogenic injury. Vaccines that cause net harms are mandated for school. Over 50% of the population suffers from chronic illness resulting from iatrogenic injury. Widespread Covid vaccine injury causes supply chain shortages, inflation, and impaired military readiness.

    ~ 6. BIG CHEM (Dow, ExxonMobil Chemical, Dupont, Eastman, Bayer, Syngenta)

    Controls the Environmental Protection Agency.

    Result: 80,000 chemicals are on the market and we have no data to verify whether they are safe.

    ~ 7. BIG WIRELESS (Verizon, T-Mobile, AT&T, Apple, Samsung)

    Controls the Federal Communications Commission.

    Result: Wireless transmitters are on nearly every street corner in cities. The ridiculous 2 degree rule* puts dangerous devices near the brains and reproductive organs of almost all adult Americans as well as many children. (*The way cell phones are tested for safety in the U.S. is that they strap the unit to the head of a plastic dummy and if the temperature of the water inside the dummy’s head does not increase by more than 2 degrees they consider it “safe”.)

    ~ 8. BIG MEDIA (AT&T, Comcast, Disney, Paramount, Netflix, Facebook, TikTok)

    Control our attention.

    Result: They keep the population distracted, addicted, and plugged into the Matrix.

    ~ 9. BIG PHILANTHROPY (Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Soros Foundation, Bloomberg, Tom Steyer, Ford, Rockefeller)

    Controls the subaltern.

    Result: They sop up any creative, artistic, or counter-cultural impulse in the population and direct it away from any critique of capital. They shape the ideation of oppressed classes to prevent any structural reform in the U.S.

    ~ 10. BIG TECH/BIG DATA (Alphabet/Google/YouTube, Meta/FB/IG/WhatsApp, Microsoft, Oracle, Amazon, Twitter, TikTok)

    These companies provide digital services that monitor all of our communications in order to build detailed data profiles that are then sold to other companies and the security state for the purposes of sales, manipulation, and control.

    Result: These companies know what we want before we even know it. Free will is eroded. Democrat participation and dissent are replaced with a stage-managed society that is scripted like a video game with them always in control behind the scenes.

    This is who rules over us.

    They have interlocking boards of directors to coordinate their actions.

    The U.S. government now exists to serve the interests of these cartels.

    Any bureaucrat who challenges the power of these industries will be removed.

    Any politician who challenges the power of these industries will be met with a well-funded opponent in the next election.

    Those who work for these industries do better financially than those who do not.

    Those who challenge these industries live on the margins and are under constant surveillance and threat.

    Our culture warps itself around these industries to normalize their existence even as they are killing us and destroying our country and the world.

    The peasants are pitted against each other in endless culture wars to distract us from our gradual (or not so gradual) enslavement.

    That’s what we are up against — one nation, under the cartels, polarized, with liberty for them and misery for us.

    Our challenge is to find ways to starve, sabotage, and replace this Ten-Headed Hydra with a better alternative.

    Source: https://tobyrogers.substack.com/p/the-us-is-controlled-by-ten-cartels

    …….

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    1. Mr Rogers description of America’s Ruling Cartels sounds very close to one of the reasons justifying asking the question: “Will the United States survive to celebrate its 250th birthday on July 4, 2026?”:

      Because America is a Oligarchic/Plutocratic Deep State comprised of the military-industrial-congressional complex, the banking-finance-printing press web, the techno-infotainment matrix, the petro-food-guns-n-drugs cartels, the pharmo-medico-insurance-legal cabals, and the surveillance-secrecy-security-safety panopticon that owns and operates, scripts and directs, and commands and controls the politicians and bureaucrats at center stage in America’s reality-tv extravaganza called “Swampland. And America’s $ 1 = 1 Vote system of government and governance that gets, puts, and keeps them there.

      That’s along with America being :

      ~ a Bankrupt Debtor State;

      ~ an Imperialist Warfare State;

      ~ a Redistributionist Welfare State;

      ~ a Secrecy/Surveillance/Security/proto-Police State;

      ~ a Flailing and Failing Nation State [and Empire];

      ~ an Overshoot State;

      And, perhaps most importantly,

      ~ a People and Nation no longer merely “divided,” but fractured ~ even to the point of disintegration ~ in ways not seen in more than 160 years, since the eve of what may end up being merely the First American Civil War.

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  3. “and the meek shall inherit the earth”… HAH! what a pile of donkey-dung. we are all so addicted to computers and other electronic devices that our brain circuitry cannot be rewired into any semblance of sanity. tnx JG and MM. your poesy and elucubrations are galvanizing. at least long-distance calls to our scattered flock in disparate loci no longer bankrupt us.

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    1. Apropos of your introductory quotation, Jeanie — and nothing to do with German tanks in Ukraine — as you may recall, Roddy McDowall portrayed Mordred in the Lerner and Loewe musical Camelot where he got off those remarkable lines in a tune called “The Seven Deadly Virtues”:
      . . .
      “I find humility means to be hurt.
      It’s not the earth the meek inherit, it’s the dirt.”
      . . .

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      1. roddy mcdowell… an eximious actor portraying a character who was quite the remarkable vaticinator, at least of those fatiloquent lines from lerner/lowe’s metalepsis of the biblical ones. eerie, eh?

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  4. From Larry Johnson’s blog last summer, beginning to look prescient now: Will Russia Shift to a War Strategy? (June 20, 2022):

    “We are living in historic times. The world that was created in the aftermath of World War II was extinguished on February 24, 2022. The United States is no longer in a position to dictate the outcome in Ukraine and Europe. That power now resides with Vladimir Putin.”

    Actually, the former nation of “Ukraine” ceased to exist back in 2014 when the United States overthrew the elected government, installed a puppet neo-Nazi regime, and immediately launched an eight-year program of attacking the Russian-speaking Ukrainians in the eastern provinces who had voted for the previous — and last — democratic government of “Ukraine.” Proper — and more accurate — terminology, therefore, now refers to the “Kiev Regime” as the temporary successor of the former “Ukraine” whose remnants may or may not exist as something of a rump state in the near future. What the United States and its European vassals want has no relevance anymore. A new and different world has begun to emerge from the self-induced wreckage of the “Collective West” — or Collected Waste, as I prefer to call it — and leaves only the question of interest to many Americans: namely, What will become of the hollowed out “homeland” of the erstwhile, vastly overextended “Empire”?

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  5. ‘Let’s Nuke The World Over Who Governs Crimea: Notes From The Edge Of The Narrative Matrix’

    Critics of the US empire have spent months compiling mountains of evidence showing that the empire knowingly provoked the war in Ukraine. Supporters of the US empire have spent months posting dog memes and accusing strangers of being paid by Putin. It’s clear who’s in the right.

    So does everyone else in the world get a vote on whether their lives should be risked in an offensive to control who governs Crimea? Or will the Biden administration just be making that call on behalf of all living creatures?

    It’s so crazy how the fate of everyone alive and everyone who could potentially be born in the future is riding on the way two governments choose to navigate a conflict in Ukraine, just because those two governments have most of the world’s nuclear weapons. It’s like two people in a bar getting into a brawl that kills everyone in their city. Nobody else in the world gets a vote on the decisions being made that could kill everyone alive and end humanity forever; just a few people within those two governments and their militaries……………………………………………………………………..

    https://caitlinjohnstone.substack.com/p/lets-nuke-the-world-over-who-governs

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  6. A partial DIY video transcript excerpting some trenchant comments by Scott Ritter starting around the 16-minute mark: “CrossTalk: Start of the end?”, RT.com (January 13, 2023)

    “Former US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, never the smartest people in the room, warn that ‘time is not on Ukraine’s side.’ They are actually right, but for the wrong reasons. They are perfectly happy to see the Ukraine conflict continue.”

    CrossTalking with Lionel, Scott Ritter, and John Kavulich.
    . . .

    [16:16] Peter Lavelle “… when this conflict comes to an end the Russians are going to make sure that it doesn’t happen for a very, very long time. Not two years, five years, or ten years. It’s going to be a lot more permanent than that.

    [16:36] Scott Ritter “Absolutely. That is why there will be no negotiated settlement. Because a negotiated settlement implies compromise and there is no compromise. The chance for compromise was back in April when Russia was sitting down with the Ukrainians in Istanbul but Boris Johnson [UK Prime Minister] intervened on behalf of NATO to shut it down because NATO thought, wrongly, that Russia was weakened, that Russia couldn’t sustain this. They injected billions of dollars in an effort to pump Ukraine up and that has run its course.

    The final elements of the 300,000 [mobilized reservists] have completed their training and are soon to be deployed. Russia has restructured its staff for large-scale warfare. Russia has restructured its defense industry. Russia’s economy is not suffering. The notion that, somehow, Ukraine can suffer more is ludicrous. Their economy is already dead, moribund. It’s on life support with American money. But as Condoleeza Rice and Mr Gates have alluded to, you remove that money and the Ukrainian economy dies.

    General Armageddon, Surovikin, is being put in charge of a future air campaign that will destroy Ukraine as a modern nation-state. Understand this, the Russians have made it clear. The opening conditions still apply: de-militarization and de-Nazification. De-militarization is about to occur: the destruction of the Ukrainian armed forces. De-nazification occurs with the death of the Zelensky government. And that will happen at the hands of an aerial campaign, sustained, strategic in nature, that will destroy Ukraine as a modern nation-state. There will be no negotiated end. I don’t know how many times I have to emphasize this. In the end there will be a Tokyo Bay type solution. September 1945, the USS Missouri. The Russians will come up with something equivalent, and a defeated Ukraine will crawl and be compelled to sign a document of unconditional surrender. This is how it ends. Not because Russia wanted it to end this way, but because NATO forced Russia to seek this kind of solution.”
    [18:30]

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  7. I never heard of Chas Freeman until getting an email notice this morning. I get very few personal emails, All my friends from my teens and 20s are Dead, but I get 50-80 a Day from various sources to read or watch something.

    Charles “Chas” W. Freeman Jr. is an American retired diplomat and writer. He served in the United States Foreign Service, the State and Defense Departments in many different capacities over the course of thirty years.. When he was an insider, he supported the US governmental system

    Maybe Chas started the WOKE movement?
    Being an outsider he woke up into just being an American, warning of the wrong ways and and direction the US government is leading this World.

    In this video from 10 years ago, he lays out the very same issues we’re still discussing here Today, and it’s not a wonder why I’ve never heard of him until this am.
    MSM Propagandists for the US War would not expose his reasoned and rational experience as a real Expert and not a paid Propagandist, and cause People to actually THINK about what’s happening in Today’s World. and not be easy prey for Emotional manipulation.

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    1. Another reason why the MSM will not show Chas Freeman to the American People with criticisms of the
      US government like he does here. This is from 2 years ago. He’s 1 year older than me and 1 year younger than Biden.

      In the United States and other democracies, political and economic systems still work in theory, but not in practice. Meanwhile, the American-led takedown of the post-World War II international system has shattered long-standing rules and norms of behavior. The combination of disorder at home and abroad is spawning changes that are increasingly disadvantageous to the United States. With Congress having essentially walked off the job, there is a need for America’s universities to provide the information and analysis of international best practices that the political system does not.

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